Ordering always creates multiple items in row 0

Yes that does work better. Both are still 0 but at least the new one is first in the list. Thank you kindly.

Hello

i check, Joomla by default sets ordering to ZERO, (does not reorder/move up the other articles)

(just in Joomla article manager the ORDERing number is hidden you only drag and drop without seeing the order in number)



then i guess it does what we talk about above, it orders at second level with ARTICLE id descending
(since if you create new 10 articles all will have ordering ZERO)

Hello

changed for (v2.2.2) default for both frontend to backend to be

id DESC, when ordering number is the same

thus newer item will appear at top if ordering is the same